Space, Lethal Weapon and Life

  04/04/2024

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Big J: All right.

We got, uh, we got Josh OJ and Azula here. Um, coming to you with our, uh, podcast. So now we got to come up with topics. I 

The Juice: know we're doing it live. Yeah. Live. 

Big J: So 

The Juice: recorded live in front of an Azula audience. Yes. 

Big J: A live Azula 

The Juice: audience. This is all right. She's enthralled. 

Big J: Alright, let's start with our basic premise that we're going to watch Lethal Weapon.

There we are. Tonight. Can you remember anything about Lethal Weapon? Because I don't actually remember anything 

The Juice: about Lethal Weapon. I can. I can remember Lethal Weapon. It is sort of an oddball kind of tag team, partner 

Big J: cops. Is it a buddy cop movie? It is 

The Juice: that, it is very much a buddy cop movie. It develops into one, but obviously.

Like every, uh, beginning, they're not so sure about one another, you 

Big J: know? Oh, okay. They start out not buddies and they become buddies? 

The Juice: Exactly. Alright. They learn each other and learn to love each other. And at once, uh, I actually remember quite a bit. But I love watching it every time. Do you want me to unveil it or do you want to find out 

Big J: as you go?

Well, I'm fine. I guess I'm fine to find out as I go. Yeah. 

The Juice: Spoil it for you, 

Big J: even though it won't be spoiling it. But, uh, I would just, I mean, one of the things we kind of were talking about before was about the idea that, you know, Mel Gibson's controversial now and Michael Jackson's controversial now and all these people.

And then they still made movies that are worth watching. And so the philosophy that you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, where the baby's the movie and the bathwater is the racist prick. So what, what all, uh, what, what is the, uh, I mean, when, when you say, uh, you know, you don't really worry about it.

Cause I certainly don't worry about it. I don't worry about it. Uh, but, um, when you say that. Uh, I mean, do you think it needs a justification or are you just kind of just like, you know, they made a movie. Let's 

The Juice: watch it. Yeah. So like, I don't need to justify it to myself. If there's something I like, I'm going to watch it.

As far as the morality of it, that feels to be more about unto others, right? And if that comes up, I kind of explain my idea that I separate the performer or creator from the project itself. So, I don't think they're necessarily one and the same. I can enjoy one thing separately from the other. So 

Big J: if the project was an offensive project, you probably wouldn't watch that 

The Juice: project.

That would be different. If I was offended by the project, yes. Yeah, that makes sense. If I really liked, but I was offended by the project, I wouldn't. Probably watch it. Right, but it's, but I'm watching a movie where an individual is playing a character and not playing themselves. So we use Mel Gibson, for example.

I'm not watching just Mel Gibson, I'm watching the character Mel Gibson is playing. 

Big J: Exactly, there was a writer. So I don't have to see it that way. There was a writer and a director and Mel Gibson is just the asshole that's acting. It doesn't really make any difference. It could have been a robot that was acting or it could have been a, you know, an animated whoever with a random voice.

Like it had nothing to do with the particular actor. Why are you going to make it all about the actor for watching that movie? I don't know. That'd be 

The Juice: weird. Yeah, it doesn't really make sense. And the point of acting is to become someone else. So, basically, you're watching someone 

Big J: else. Actually, it's kind of hypocritical because if you think about it, there's probably a heck of a lot of shows produced By people who were assholes that are acknowledged assholes that people still watch because it's not like you see their face.

Sure do. 

The Juice: And, um, honestly they probably don't even know about all of them. 

Big J: Yeah. And so that actually is like probably a much bigger deal. And that person is probably getting paid more money than the, uh, actor person. Uh, producer? Probably. 

The Juice: Yeah. Yeah, depending on the type of producer, but 

Big J: yeah, probably. Well, I was watching, uh, Project Runway with my family and then they had, uh, they had Weinstein.

You know, I would say Weinstein Productions. Uh oh. That's kind of a dated brand now. Uh oh. But they had that right there up at the front. Weinstein Productions. He produced 

The Juice: a lot of things. He's just all over the place. If you go back and watch, like, certain, what was it, not the Academy Awards, the Emmy Awards.

Whatever one is done by the foreign press. You'll see him just in the audience and everyone's just like schmoozing with him. It's a little uncomfortable. Kind of in retrospect. 

Big J: Well, Project Runway seems like a great opportunity to exploit. How to exploit people on, in the, in the Weinstein way, so, uh, you know, any, any time where they got people wandering around in the back, um, you know, getting in trouble, that's it.

I 

The Juice: can't, it's harder to kind of separate what he does from the stuff he creates, I guess. I don't know. I don't know if I'd go back and look at everything he's ever produced and be like, Nope, can't watch that anymore. 

Big J: Nah, I don't think it's worth it. I think there's like the output, and then there was the way that it was made, and they're totally separate things.

The Juice: Yeah. Makes it, I don't know, makes it a little easier to kind of watch some of the stuff. You have to worry about everywhere you stepped all the time. Kind of a pretty uncomfortable existence. So I don't really want to just be constantly avoiding things. 

Big J: Well, isn't it kind of hypocritical though, that Like, I just, thinking about Mel Gibson, and how I'm not allowed to watch his movies, according to people, I can't see a lot of his things, like, I mean, just that, that they're offense, you know, offended.

Sure. Some folks are offended. But, um, you know, I don't give a crap about, like, That's 

The Juice: their business, they have the right to not watch anything he does. Why 

Big J: should I know anything about this guy? They have the right to tell me what I want to do, though. Mario Batali. I can't see any of those chef. Episodes anymore.

I iron chef episodes. I can't see Mario Batali anymore. Cause he got some kind of, he had a restaurant, he had a restaurant where he didn't actively combat and possibly facilitated, um, me too, worthy activities. All right. Yeah. 

The Juice: Well, yeah, that was a little bit 

Big J: of a thing, but they can't, every one of his episodes unavailable now.

Really? He's just straight, he's like, he's in the opening credits, but all of his episodes are not available. I just removed from streaming? He's just not there. Yeah. 

The Juice: That's Gone. That's kind of interesting. Is that You know, I've noticed stuff like that on streaming. Where there's just 

Big J: But like, does he even get paid on that?

Like, why, why, why are you removing that episode at that point? I think there's 

The Juice: people being overly cautious. I don't know. 

Big J: Cause the streaming service doesn't want to get in trouble. Yeah. 

The Juice: They don't want to potentially offend someone and start just, uh, instead of blazing people, uh, protesting them or something like that.

So I think they just played safe and like, you know, what? This has nothing to do with us anymore, we're out. Yeah, I, I don't wanna, 

Big J: I'm not getting 

The Juice: involved. I mean, just sort of, as a larger entity, kind of maneuvering through those things, and they're kind of a bit more, they're a bit bigger targets. I can sort of see the perspective, but, ehhh.

I don't know. I feel like that might, it's borderline at 

Big J: best. Did you see, uh, SpaceX's most recent launch? Because, uh, Elon Musk is another controversial figure. I don't know if it'll keep letting us record if I show you this, but I want to show you this right now. Moment of truth. And then after you see it, I want to, uh, I want to talk about it.

And we'll make sure we can still record if it doesn't record while we're watching this. Uh, it's a spaceship. SpaceX Starship 

The Juice: Is he the one with the famous rockets or is it like another guy? Um, what's his name? The guy who owns Amazon. 

Big J: Oh, this guy is, no, it's not Bezos, it's Elon Musk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It turns into, uh, You're doing the, uh, You go to Mars, and then you start trying to do taxation without representation, and you know, they're gonna get, they're gonna get frustrated.

Like, why are you trying to tell me what to do? Yeah. Yeah. 

The Juice: We have, uh, evidence of how people tend to respond to the situations of America, so yeah. Pretty much every 

Big J: time. It's very predictable. But, you know what would be a really good hedge on that robot apocalypse? Would be having another planet to go to.

So, that would be great. Just, you know. Belt and suspenders and all that. Options, you know, options. Uh, yeah, okay, so we just finished watching the, uh, SpaceX Starship IFT3 insertion into orbit, which I say is really cool. Uh, I don't think, uh, you disagree that it was cool. I thought it was cool. All right. And I'm bringing it up cause, uh, it's in kind of in the context of, uh, Elon Musk, a little bit, he's getting in trouble here and there.

Sure. 

The Juice: Controversial figures in the work they do. So yeah, 

Big J: I think he's just like. Kind of a bull in a china shop type of controversial. Like he does a lot of stuff. Sure. Says a lot of things and unfortunately bought Twitter. I really wish that didn't go through. He was trying to get out of it and I really wish they let him because it's just him turning into an old man now.

It's, 

The Juice: it was not a situation you would have ever wanted to be in. It's uh, it's volunteering to govern free speech. 

Big J: Yeah, it's not 

The Juice: cool. That's not something anyone wants to do. No thank 

Big J: you. Yeah, it's not cool. I just wish, uh, I wish that he, cause that's where all the controversy comes from is him like doing his Twitter stuff.

X. Yeah, or he renamed it, whatever, like, I don't, he, you know, he had that name on PayPal. He had that x. com. You can go to PayPal going to x. com. He's had that domain and he's been stoked about that domain. You can just like picture it really excited about the letter X. He's just a guy who has a domain and he's excited about it.

And he's like, Oh no, no, no, no, no. This one, this is the one I'm going to do this business. It gets the X or he sold PayPal. No, I'm keeping the X. X. com, that's mine. I'm keeping it. And he's got it in his personal GoDaddy account. Something like that. Who knows? You know what I'm saying? 

The Juice: That's how he identifies now, is the letter X.

Big J: Well, first Twitter. Anyway, unambiguously cool. We were just talking about how, um, also that the, uh, I mean, they're talking about like sending millions of tons of cargo, launching a ship every 20 minutes, getting it so that, like, you can, like, land them. It's like 

The Juice: a cycle of rockets going 

Big J: off. Yeah, just making them like flights, like airplanes.

Like making it where you can book a flight and they were actually talking about making it where you could travel from one side of the globe to the other in as little as a half hour instead of like a freaking 24 hour flight. That'd be kind of cool. 

The Juice: That would be cool, but I think you'd have to get used to 

Big J: conditions.

Yeah, it'd be probably intense. Yeah, it's supposed 

The Juice: to do a number on your body, I thought. 

Big J: Yeah, but, you know, I think flying for 24 hours in one of them seats is, kind of, does a number on your body, frankly. That is, that's fair, that's fair. It's very uncomfortable. I, I would rather if it, I mean, granted it's probably going to cost an arm and a leg, but I would rather Uh, do the one, you know, do the 30 minute flight over the 20 hour flight or whatever, going to Australia or wherever it would be.

It's 

The Juice: an opportunity for rocket travel without being an astronaut or anything of that nature. Mm 

Big J: hmm. And I think it actually goes into space and drops back down. Ah. For that flight. I wonder what requirements 

The Juice: they would have for you to do that. Oh, yeah. I mean, because if they're putting you in space, then yeah, that's a little different.

Big J: A little bit of complicate. Don't want to have any complications. You said it's only half an 

The Juice: hour, 

Big J: allegedly, like. Super fast. Okay. I mean, you just saw this, we watched it a 10 minute thing. They probably already got over, uh, half the, half the globe, right? They were in fricking space, uh, way above everything within minutes.

The Juice: Yeah. They got out there fast. 

Big J: So that's, I mean, I got to imagine that you could be in, on the whole other side of the planet. Very rapidly. And actually they'll probably fund it through the military, frankly. Yeah, probably, probably get them to want to get people over there real quick. And then just pop in there.

The Juice: I don't know if we attack that way 

Big J: anymore. No, not attack, like just travel. Okay. You just want to send some folks over. Well, what 

The Juice: would be the purpose of sending someone across the globe of that nature in the military, I guess? 

Big J: Oh, why would the military pay to ship people from one place to another place?

Yeah, I guess, I don't know. Well, you could slow boat them. Yeah, you can do that. Or a couple of days, or you could fly them. They have cargo people, carriers, cargo 

The Juice: carriers, setting up bases, things 

Big J: like that. But if you need to do a real quick, get into a country with a bunch of dudes, what are you going to do?

I need to get there right now. And that's why they're going to, that's why they're going to end up funding. 

The Juice: Get ready for rocket invasions. Oh, that'd be cool. 

Big J: Yeah. Uh, yeah, so that's all that. I just thought it was cool. I just wanted to show you. I think it was worthwhile. Yeah, 

The Juice: that was really cool. I hope Pre Op proceeds as scheduled.

I don't know. That'd be cool. If we can make it to Mars in our lifetime. 

Big J: Oh yeah, I think it will. Cause every two years, Mars and Earth come to where they're close by, where it's an eight month trip. Okay. Versus when Mars is on the other side of the sun, it's a ridiculously long trip. Yeah. So there's this like window every two years for doing the transport.

And so their plan is to get something out there in the next window. Wow. Something ambitious, probably with nobody on it, but something, 

The Juice: right? Well, they need the successful flight there and back. Well, that would be. Well that is tricky. So they're in, uh, have they made it to Mars on their own yet? Just one way?

I don't, 

Big J: well not, not them. They just barely got to orbit with these ships. Yeah. But once they, I mean somebody has. Yeah. But with like little landers that don't come back. 

The Juice: Yeah cause the Mars rover and all that, but 

Big J: like uh. These guys will be coming back. Sure. You got to refuel though. Like part of their plan would be to mine the fuel because they got methane on Mars.

Okay. Or you can make it. So their plan would be to mine the fuel on Mars. For return. 

The Juice: Okay. For 

Big J: the return. Yeah. That's interesting. I believe that's part of the plan. 

The Juice: And you just do all that with what, robotics? 

Big J: Yeah, robots the first time, but then you can throw people down there and they can do all kinds of stuff too.

But really ultimately it's going to be the robots. I don't want 

The Juice: to strand anyone on 

Big J: Mars. No, no, that would be bad PR. But, um, I, I mean, I think if they have a robust enough program, then it won't be a question of being stranded on Mars. Sure. Right. It'll be like. I'm on Mars. Yeah. And this is where I am. It's like the new world, but it's like, kind of crappy.

Well, you need to 

The Juice: have the supplies in order to survive until the next orbit. 

Big J: Until you hit the critical mass of goodness. 

The Juice: Yeah. Until the next alignment where the travel is more reasonable. 

Big J: Yeah. No, it would be, they want to get it where, You get enough stuff right there on Mars. Sure. For a civilization to straight up live and work on it.

So 

The Juice: like the first time people go, they wanna be able to set up 

Big J: the first time's just gonna be like a military state? I think so. Oh. I mean, there's just nothing. There's nothing there, right, right now. So you would have, I mean, the food, it is not like you can. There's not like a place to go. No. So you're stuck, right?

It's a one way trip and you're stuck as a slave to whatever that situation is. Sure. But once it's built, You could very easily see how, you know, you could have, it's like, it'd be Blade Runner or Total Recall or any of those things. You could see how that would come out once you get that all built. Sure.

That would be so cool. That would be very cool. That's, that's all I have to say about that. But yeah, they gotta have some kind of way of making food and then have a market for the food right there on that planet. Or they gotta grow their own food. The air would need to be, the water and the air are not taken for granted.

You gotta pay and have a way of getting that. You need 

The Juice: to build a way to recycle reusable air. 

Big J: Right. You got to be able to, and you need, and you got to make sure that that keeps happening. Somebody's 

The Juice: got to 

Big J: do all that. Like you're on, you can't take your environment for granted. Like we do here.

Unfortunately, uh, you have to, you have to actively work on that. And the smaller it is, the more aware of that you're going to be, because if you got one little pod with two dudes in it, right, that's very acute. situation if something starts running out versus if it gets very large and you have a lot of ways of generating it you got a lot of you know fallbacks sure and then it just becomes sort of like a marketplace that's less of a big deal 

The Juice: sure but that that's gonna take a little bit of time for to get to that 

Big J: point but that's what they're envisioning that's what they're seeing is like let's get to there and And then we'll be, uh, multi planetary species.

Coolest idea ever. I love it. It's pretty cool. And then he went and bought Twitter. What the hell? Don't do that. 

The Juice: Yeah, it was a misstep for sure. 

Big J: Yeah. I just like, It's so cool to just see this. He's still doing that. He's still doing that. That's cool. 

The Juice: Unambiguously cool. Yeah, this kind of race in space is still happening amongst the billionaires.

Big J: I don't really think that the other guys are doing it. I mean, they're trying, but 

The Juice: They're not technically 

Big J: on the level? No, they're just not as, uh, involved, I guess. Okay. I mean, there's a certain level of I think, I think Elon Musk has a particular obsession with certain things. Okay. Where he could be checked out, but he's not.

Versus I don't really think Bezos is still like in the day to day. I believe that. I don't really, I don't really get the Virgin guy. I don't think he's really in it. I think they handed it off, you know, like both of them are trying to do it, but they're like, they're just kind of like. Phone it in. I think this guy's an engineer himself and wading into the details.

The Juice: Yeah, he's more involved in the technical aspects of it as 

Big J: well. I think he's championing it. It's a whole different attitude. I just think that that is pretty cool. I'd say so. So I just, I just wish you could get off Twitter. As I, I, you can say that about a lot of things though. A lot of people. A lot of people 

The Juice: need to get off 

Big J: Twitter.

Yeah, that would be, that would be nice. Off the internet. I tell you what. 

The Juice: Yeah, social media to ruin. You heard about like, uh, TikTok got banned? Oh 

Big J: yeah, well did it all the way get banned? It didn't all the way get banned. It's the early steps. Yeah, I don't know what the legal framework is for that because fundamentally it is actually just some sort of free speech thing.

But at the same time, it's completely a spy thing, right? There's no way the Chinese government owns a platform, a social media platform. They're not mining that for intelligence against people. There are TV channels right now that you can get Russia Today. China Today. You can get these channels. I don't know what it's called, China Today.

It's called CCC something or other. But that's, they're all free. They're right there. And they're on the TV. On my cable station. On the satellite. You can go watch these channels. They're straight up propaganda from that country. And you can get that right here. And they promote that. And it's like free. And like if you, I mean for a while Google News, that was like the main thing they were recommending.

this uh, you know, the, the propaganda channels because they were available. So how do you actually mitigate, that's a big deal. That's like a big question. How do you mitigate Free speech with respect to obvious foreign disinformation in the information age. 

The Juice: Well in TikTok's case, they're just gonna shut it down.

I think TikTok's gonna go away. 

Big J: Well the form of the law is that they're gonna make it so that the app stores or whatever can't or and the internet service providers are forbidden from providing those particular things. Yeah, 

The Juice: I think it 

Big J: just won't work. Yeah, they're going to tell them that they can't do it.

But it's like, 

The Juice: there's alternatives to it already. It's just TikTok is the name, right? 

Big J: Yeah. I just, it's just difficult to imagine like in a practical way. It absolutely makes sense. I have no attachment to TikTok. So I don't really care. Whatever. I also have no question in my mind that it is a Chinese, uh, government spy thing because they're like everywhere all the time, frankly, all my gray man books in the Tom Clancy books make it very clear they're everywhere and they're horrible.

So I have no doubt about all that stuff, but you know, um, The, the, the legal, like the way that the, the, the free speech stuff works and all the rest of that, it's like our super slippery slope on that. Yeah. Because you could imagine a non. Um, like some sort of malicious actor co opting whatever framework made that okay to shut down.

Like, I mean, they do this in a lot of countries. Whatever, whatever legal framework they're using that, Oh, you have to shut TikTok down because this is like a foreign agent thing. Russia does that all the damn time about every little NGO and everybody. China does that all the time about, Oh, that's an American NGO.

That's a foreign influence thing. We got to shut that down. Uh, 

The Juice: yeah, it's true. Well, they're more, yeah, I agree. Yeah. They do it already. So it's not like we would be alone in the world, 

Big J: right? But our thing is being like free and open. We try to claim we have free speech. Well, yeah. And their thing is to actively subvert it, but pretend like they have it.

So, but that's, it's kind of interesting though, because it really, it really kind of weighs us down, but I really think it's. Sort of important to kind of continue to have free speech. Yeah, get back at that. Sure Uh on occasion, you know Like to remember that you got it on occasion because because otherwise you get yourself into trouble in the long term 

The Juice: No, I totally get that I just think they'll find different places to do it I don't know tiktok could go away fine Honestly probably should And something else will sprout up in its place and it'll be just fine They just gotta make sure it's uh, an American company, I guess.

Big J: Well, something that, uh, that, I mean, what, I 

The Juice: guess he won't, I don't know if he'll be interacting with other people in the world, 

Big J: necessarily. It's just something that has not been contemplated at all. Like, it certainly wasn't contemplated on the, uh, in the Constitution. All the disinformation y stuff that's going on, all the rest, that's just like, none of that.

That was even a consideration. We had an active civic society with free and like day delayed newspapers, not even free, but it was just like free speech style, day delayed, not actively influenced by foreign governments with, you know, Right? Like, that whole space has been co opted. So it's like, how do you even, how do you, I, I, I'm afraid it's going to break.

I, cause I just, I, I see holes. What's going to break exactly? What's going to break exactly is how you can already see the efficiency of communication as, as I've talked about. Efficiency of communication. Just like. People are inherently very tribal. And if you intentionally exploit their, um, divisions and enhance them, they're going to get worse if you, if you intentionally put people against each other.

And now we got. So many different ways of self sorting into conversations that are very bubbled, you know, tight, very like you only hear things or see things that you agree with or have clicked on before or whatever. And you don't get a physical, you know, or see, uh, even a TV program that has the exact same thing for everybody.

Those are the least popular ones because they are customized to what you already think. And so as a result of that, it just sort of breaks what would have been, you know, civic society. I just watched this, this Terminator 2, and uh, you know, they, as the robots say, 

The Juice: that's the ultimate attempt at squashing free speech.

Terminator 

Big J: 2? Yeah. 

The Juice: Well, wait, what happened? Might have won. Sending something back in time to stop the human race. 

Big J: Oh, yeah. From above. 

The Juice: Stopped them totally. Just gonna squash that free speech right in the front of his pack. 

Big J: But yeah, it's very worrisome. Uh, yeah. 

The Juice: And it's Well, people don't really know where to turn to anymore, so nah.

And the limited ability to determine what's a proper source of news, you just assume it. Everything's biased, and if everything's biased, you just pick the bias you choose, and it's probably what you want 

Big J: to hear. But let me, okay, let's, let's look into that. There's 

The Juice: no just, like, 

Big J: facts. Let's put it on the consumer.

Okay. The news consumer. Alright. What if we said, why are people so uncritical? Is it unfair to ask them to think a little bit? On occasion, like to, to recognize, to not just accept all the time, whatever they're seeing and hearing all the time, like at some point it's gotta be reasonable. For, for a person to think a little bit, 

The Juice: I agree.

Big J: Um, how do we get that to happen? Cause I certainly don't see it happening at school. 

The Juice: I think a lot of it is, I don't know, people have their lives and what's going on with them. So they. Try to make things easier So you end up going towards the easier options. I don't think it's right or wrong or whatever.

Yeah, I'm saying it's just if you have a lot of things going on or if you just don't want to deal with a hassle trying to Delve through information to figure out what's accurate and what's not going through like Five sources to try to confirm whether it's real or not You might just end up taking information As it's given to you.

Big J: Right. Well, it's not even, I don't think it's even necessarily the fact of the information so much as what to think about it. Okay. That seems like the main thing in fact, because a lot of times there's a group there's the truth is in there. It's just like it's already been spun so much as to be stupid.

The Juice: Well, you have to disseminate it then. 

Big J: Disseminate? What did you mean? 

The Juice: Well, you have to disseminate the information to figure out what's being given to you. And you have to pick it apart and determine what parts of it are real. Right? Because if you're saying information's in there, it means you gotta dig through it.

It's not an easy thing to do, necessarily. Right. 

Big J: Right. 

The Juice: You gotta figure out what's real. I think people usually just settle for what's real to them. 

Big J: Right. And then they just settle for what everybody around them, whatever anybody around them is talking about. Yeah.

This is a problem. It is definitely a 

The Juice: problem. This is a problem that I'm saying, because I don't know what the 

Big J: solution to it is. Cause that can be influenced. Oh yeah. By third party. It can 

The Juice: be. It 

Big J: is being, it is being, it got Donald Trump elected. It 

The Juice: definitely got him elected. 

Big J: He was elected by Russia.

Influence, for sure. Like, known, demonstrated, for sure. They, that has been documented. 

The Juice: Uh, yeah, it's a fact. I don't think they found conclusive evidence. They did? Um, or 

Big J: prosecutable evidence. Now, who are they going to prosecute? Um, Trump, but yeah. No, there's nobody to, you wouldn't prosecute Trump because Trump didn't do it.

You would prosecute Russia, but Russia cannot be prosecuted. No, they were doing it, that's 

The Juice: right. And he can't, and you can't prosecute a foreign nation. No. So it's like, I don't 

Big J: know. But they have established very clearly Russia paid. A bunch of money to a bunch of social media accounts. Yeah. The troll 

The Juice: farms, but like, 

Big J: no, no, they paid advertising.

Yeah. And also the things they would set up, they deliberately do this in multiple countries on a regular basis. And it's just what they do. It's they deliberately seed, uh, discord and democracy in general, because it raises their position, the more chaos there is in 

The Juice: the rest of the world. 

Big J: Not, yeah, it's just like, oh, uh, you're not authoritarian.

I'm gonna go ahead and, uh, mid, you know, mid middle around in here and show you what happens when you're not authoritarian. There's nobody keeping in charge. And then they get, they say, oh, we're gonna have a demonstration for this, for position A at this location at this time. And then they say to the other group, they say, oh, we're gonna have a deposition.

Uh, we're gonna have a demonstration for position B. At this location at this time, knowing that A and B are adversaries. Sure. This is documented. They go there. I think it was for like abortion or something like that. And then they would target people who were for abortion. They target people against abortion and they would send them to the same place at the same time.

They deliberately do these things and they foment that stuff. I mean, this is documented, these things. Uh, I, I, I mean, I'm, I'm just shooting from my mouth. You don't even know if this is true or not, but I guarantee if you go research it, you will find. I'm pretty sure I could find information about it. That it is true.

Yeah. So, I don't know the solution either, but that I feel like is like the main issue in general. 

The Juice: You have to kind of remove influence from information dispension. Yeah. And how, how, 

Big J: how, like, how can you even start? 

The Juice: I legitimately don't know because I don't know. News distribution is a business which sort of takes the influence with it.

Big J: That's right. In by it is intrinsically has. A bias towards sensation, um, what people are interested in and what they already want to hear because that makes it more likely they'll watch it or hear it or whatever. I mean. So that's one direction. And then there's the direction of intentionally going in.

The 

The Juice: disinformation part. That's, yeah, that's more like social media and stuff like that.

Big J: Well, I find it all very alarming there. And then the AIs, maybe they're, maybe the AI is the solution to that or something. Um, 

The Juice: I don't think so. 

Big J: Probably not. Probably, probably going to make it worse. 

The Juice: I think AI is going to 

Big J: be a tool. Yeah. For whoever, whoever uses it. 

The Juice: Yeah. AI will be a tool to further that agenda.

Yeah. 

Big J: It would be cool if it had a little AI that said, is this true or not? Is this anywhere close to, uh, is this approximately accurate? Do my critical thinking for me, AI. You know what I'm saying? One of them. I don't know if it can. Yeah. Well, even if it could, uh, would it do it right? 

The Juice: Well, I mean, it has to be programmed to think in like a way of logic, right?

Yeah. So, whatever the basis of this program is more or less the way it pushes its influence. 

Big J: I believe that it could, right now, exactly the way it is, but my theory is that also people would listen to it. They would say, oh, this is just like trumped up nonsense. Uh, 

The Juice: yeah, people naturally distrust AI, probably somewhere in there.

Big J: Yeah. Oh, and then that 

The Juice: would get influenced. I don't trust it. I don't trust the mechanisms 

Big J: behind it. And that would get hacked. Also. All right. Well, on that very dystopian note, let's go ahead and wrap this up. Everything's horrible. There's nothing we can do. We're doomed. But we're going to space and it's going to be great.

We are doomed. We're doomed. Let's go watch Lethal Weapon. Let's do it. All right. The end of our podcast. Thank you so much. Goodbye. Have a nice day. Bye. 

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